Talk:Carnage/@comment-31959494-20170518034638/@comment-30076690-20170518174500

actually, leo is often a viable counter to thunder carnage - high health and light hardpoints can counterbalance carnage's low health and dual thunders. magnum/thunder leo is one of the more difficult oponnents, unless complete suprise.

I've played both - fujin first, though. fujin is good support, but can also be good knife fighter.