Talk:Spiral/@comment-32766476-20170804042322

Personally, I think the only bot these are relevant on is a Griffin with Hydras. A lot of people are talking about quad spiral Pattons, which seem great when you dont have much coin yet, but it takes all of a week to be in silver tier earning tons of silver. At which point you are better off picking up a LEO for the extra hp.

On the Griffin with hydras, spirals are a necessary evil to pair up a non-line of site weapon with similar ranges to the hydra, but even still I've considered trading out my spirals for for molots or gekkos, because when you are at 600m it is fairly easy to be in a position where you can avoid other mid to long range bots and still put pressure on center beacon and beyond.

I look all weapons in terms of what it will take me to put serious damage on a Griffon or shielded bot. 4 spirals completely leveled would take almost 4 full volleys connecting to take out your base level 5 griffon. That is a lot of time for one bot, and again, that is some serious time, effort, and coin for a weapon that again, IMO, is only a valid weapon on the Griffin with Hydras. A 4 spiral patton is relevant for about your first month of gameplay.

On a related note, the patton in general has limited shelf life as well. Once you are playing with the big boys it seems like a 4 aphid setup would be killer right!? I mean, Andrian has a video where he and his clan is cleaning house with them, but when in the same video you see a pot head warrior (leo + ancil + 3 aphids) that lasts nearly the whole game....that guy has 25% less fire power, but 2.5x more hp + ancil, and costs 250 more gold and some silver (which is basically monopoly money)...that is a way more effective bot for that type of game play.

For all the above, I would say that these are a good weapon for the beginner player, but you are going to move through bronze and silver pretty quick. Don't spend too much upgrade time making a quad patton set up, or anything else, to great with spirals. If you are in the lower levels, ok, get 2 spirals and 2 molots and work on the leveling them. You may use 2 of these weapons on 2 different bots in higher levels.