Talk:Griffin/@comment-26188980-20170816103804/@comment-26188980-20170816114601

the griffin is just a bad bot that many people know how to play and make it decent. I can play the raijin very well, but many people still think it is very bad. It all depends on who plays it well. That being said, the griffin is VERY fragile. Think of this. Natashas don't have the health to be good close range fighters with their slow speed. The griffin is pretty much the same, except it has jump (which sometimes helps i guess). The griffin can dodge rockets while it is in the air, but otherwise gets melted. I have tried a plasma griffin and a plasma rhino, and the rhino was better. Same with Death buttons. Believe it or not, out of all the games i played with my robots, here is a somewhat accurate list of success with each robot.

Thunder carnage - 35%

Zeus carnage - 55%

Trident carnage - 50%

Treb carnage - 70%

Thunder raijin - 50%

Zeus raijin - 35%

Plasma griffin - 10%

RDB griffin - 40%

Punisher griffin - 20%

Spydra griffin - 20%

Death button griffin - 45%

Trident pin natasha - 60%

Plasha galahad - 45%

Right handed smack - 40%

Death button rhino - 70%

Plasma rhino - 40%

Taran fujin - 55%

Tulumbas doc - 80%

Hydra doc - 50%

Pinata stalker - 0%

Magnum stalker - 0%

Aphid stalker - 15%

Aphid jesse - 20%

This was a list of all setups i used to or still use quite often and how many games out of the ones i played gave good results with those setups. (I didn't incluse the thunder pinata natasha as the last time i used it was in silver league 1)

You should be able to tell that the griffin is by far the worst bot i have ever tried to run after the stalker and jesse as its success rates were mostly very low. This is what i feel like with each setup and you can agree or disagree. These percentages are only to show relatively how good the setup is, not exactly