Talk:Redeemer/@comment-34564650-20180221221251/@comment-34366823-20180301220723

You're better off with an ember/taran setup on the Lance, I tried both and found that having the ability to ignore any shield and add splash damage (for bots near your target or peeking around corners) is a huge boon. It just works really well with the way the Lance plays. I would use your redeemer on a Raijin. Opponents tend to run and hide when they get the massive taste of a redeemer shot and in the lance you find youreself trying to chase bot around until they ambush you up close, in which case the reddemer has a much harder time with targeting. But, on the raijin you can camp on high traffic areas and you get the added 30% boost in bastion mode, which allows massive damage output. That adds up to over 17k per second if you're running 2 at lvl12.