Talk:Zeus/@comment-25234309-20171003045101/@comment-30076690-20171011035510

okay.. sorry, but that last argument was stupid...

if raijin was good, you'd see one in every hangar.

NO.

NONONONONONONONONONONO

if bot is balanced, you see it some of the time. If bot is mildly OP/simple to use/etc, THEN you see in all hangars. Most of their hangars are just ancilelot, griffin, dash. And there is no way those are the only good bots.

The main problem with raijin is it lacks the ability to dictate range of engagement - and, much more importantly, timing of engagement. That's why people love dash so much - they can select weakened bots/less dangerous bots, dash in and kill them.

Also.. you can find some really weird setups in legend. like thunder tempest butch. And hydra fujin. And molot-tempest natasha. and galahad. zeus molot leo. zenit butch.

basically... a raijin isn't good or bad. it's actually fairly balanced, due to specialization. Legend league players prefer to use bots which can work in a variety of situations, regardless of who they're with. So any bot can fulfill any role. A raijin can't cap beacons - a lance actually sorta can. That's the big difference - mobility.

Firepower isn't really a problem, especially as a raijin can actually match the firepower of many other bots which are used.

and finally - the big thing for thunder raijin, the main use, negates all the range and retreat options. it is primarily for beacon rush.

when you die trying to hold a beacon - wait until they are on top of the beacon, and spawn a thunder raijin.

to quote many people on the forum - if a thunder raijin spawns in front of you, you're scrap metal.