Talk:Raijin/@comment-33413589-20171019131437/@comment-30076690-20171026210141

a few minor comments

one - there are circumstances where climbing is faster. There's this one place on valley where you can climb over very quickly (not significant. just felt i should point it out)

two - you can eliminate the two seconds to enter bastion from the time, unless pursuing an opponent. Assuming a long-range armament, unless the opponent has molots, then you can enter bastion before they enter effective range. It makes no difference either way (the problem that it is motionless while in bastion is more problematic - a zeus fury can continue to backpedal while locking on)

thunder raijin cna be useful in any situation where you can get in close - so beacon rush ambushes and occupying narrow corriders (the cost being that allies cannot use these pathways with a raijin blocking it).

Long range raijins can use their climbing ability to occupy unique positions, and by hanging off of cover can more quickly retreat if they come under fire

so thunder raijin is very situational, long-range raijin can be used with more variety (though long range setups are themselves situational). Raijin is certainly acceptable if one does not have access to the fury.